wow this seems....

[DragonRider]

Ubuntu didnt recognise my network cards wired or wireless i've tracked down a driver on sourceforge for the WLAN but still digging ...

You might want to try http://forum.defcon.org/ those guys are pretty sharp over there and know alot about Linux/Unix systems...ask in the Community Talk forum. You'll have to register or you will only be able to read posts.

[< E >]

I've ended up going with fedora recognised my ethernet tried ubuntu instal didn't recognise either wireless or wired connections . Ironing out a few bugs atm updating ect was an older FC5 i had on cd anyway used that

Sooo long SHITSTA

[< E >]

PS. Manners, thanks for the link

[nesman]

Some wireless cards aren't completely supported. My old Linksys card wasn't. (And believe me, I tried everything)

I'm using a Belkin card now and it works right out of the box in Linux. What's funny is that Windows doesn't have a built in driver for it, so when I boot into Windows, I have to switch cards or go without wireless.

[DragonRider]

Nesman,
Try this website and see if it can help solve your problem:
http://www.techsupportforum.com/ Goto section "Linux Support"..."if your machine is running XP or something like it. Go to a DOS window start->run->(enter cmd). Type in "netstat -ve". Buried in the output is Windows MTU for the interface. If the MTU is different than the Linux, set Linux to the Windows MTU."

Hope it helps...

[Canada Joe]

NDISwrapper mite be the answer for most Wifi cards:
This project implements Windows kernel API and NDIS (Network Driver Interface Specification) API within Linux kernel. A Windows driver for wireless network card is then linked to this implementation so that the driver runs natively, as though it is in Windows, without binary emulation.

[orange dude]

one of the many things linux was never meant to do was go wireless but then again nor was it ever meant to go to a graphical desktop or to a semi personal pc level but its well on its way. ofc with any migration of developement you find drawbacks in previous codes that have to be addressed b4 the new can be implemented. but all in all its impressive that linux has come from linus's text based iceland hack of minix to a full blown graphical server/personal distro in a matter of 16 years oh wait....no its not that impressive things should be alot further than that after 16 years....

and ndis wrapper requires binary emulation on its own level to implement the windows driver and in most cases it works the day you install then when u reboot it will nvr work again but some people have had luck with it. i do beleive it works best on knoppix/debian based distros

[DragonRider]

It wasn't that Linux was never meant to go wireless. It was the fact that wireless wasn't even a glimmer in anyones eye at the time that Linux was developed. Linux was and still is a work in progress by it's users. Linux is meant to do whatever can be imagined and implemented by it's users. Linux unlike other operating systems is not profit driven therefore new developments take longer than with operating systems that are developed by paid programmers. One constraint being that the developers are working "out of their own pockets" and in their spare time. I find it more odd that the multi-billion dollar labs with thousands of programmers and coders, that produce crash prone crap like Vista, aren't further along after 26 years than I do that Linux hasn't made more progress in 16.

The Star workstation, officially known as the 8010 Star Information System, was introduced by Xerox Corporation in 1981. It was the first commercial system to incorporate various technologies that today have become commonplace in personal computers, including a bitmapped display, a window-based graphical user interface, icons, folders, mouse, Ethernet networking, file servers, print servers and e-mail.

[bacon665]

Linux is meant to do whatever can be imagined and implemented by it's users

linux still meets the posix standard so no if it cant be done under posix it cant be done under linux

Linux unlike other operating systems is not profit driven therefore new developments take longer than with operating systems that are developed by paid programmers

there are many profit orgs that contribute to linux's developement such as red hat and there are a number of smaller projects that have funding for there programmers but alas many are undeserving such as this one http://www.kexi-project.org/wiki/wikivi ... hp?Support
or they are supported like so
http://www.timesys.com/company/eula.htm

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in wich the subscription goes to pay for hosting space and developement
an examples of that on a much larger scale are cedega and office crossover

I find it more odd that the multi-billion dollar labs with thousands of programmers and coders, that produce crash prone crap like Vista, aren't further along after 26 years than I do that Linux hasn't made more progress in 16

if u are going to count the time that windows was dos then u need to count the time that minix was in existance b4 linux was developed.

the multi billion dollar corps dont employ people form all over the world or else they would be broke. and its the perfect thing to drive developement since its crash prone and a resource hog cause everyone will use it anyway. wich means hardware developers have to go back and make faster larger better hardware to run it if linux had been windows during 1998 we would probably still be usuing 500 mghz single core processors.
with every new windows release a new hardware inovation has happened now that vista is out we have quad core and ddr3. like it or not windows is vital to the pc world.also on that note the transparency and most of the other crap is stuff they took from linux and recoded to make it sorta mesh with vista.

[< E >]

Ok i'm gonna take the plunge and f**k vista off my laptop and install ubuntu. Be afraid ...

contradiction in E terms = you are dumb enough to have vista, yet think your smart enough to run linux.

O ye of little faith ...All sorted all working

[..Ñøßߥ..]

Ok i'm gonna take the plunge and f**k vista off my laptop and install ubuntu. Be afraid ...

Ok i'm gonna take the plunge and f**k vista off my laptop and install ubuntu. Be afraid ...

contradiction in E terms = you are dumb enough to have vista, yet think your smart enough to run linux.

O ye of little faith ...All sorted all working

oh wow E you proved me so wrong there, it only took you almost 6 weeks to install, rofl.....

[< E >]

Give up TRUCE ? And it didn't take 6 weeks to install it took 6 weeks to d/l a later version on dial up Was using a year old minimum release .. maybe i should go back to win32 after all

[Vladd44]

Praise Kenneth!