Steadfast, as good as his word..I mean turd.

[Vladd44]

Recently I have had the misfortune of spending some time on a forum run by an idiot named Jerry, he goes by the username Steadfast.

His forum is located at http://justgivemetruth.com .

Below is a thread (all but a couple at the end, I had not archived them yet) that he felt compelled to delete.

I will add it shortly, stay tuned. Please avoid responding on it until complete.

It was brought to our attention that some of our threads in the cesspool had gotten a few christians worked up enough to considera raid on the v44 cesspool. We decided to return the favor and see what they were about.

Ultimately This thread was working on it's 7th Page before Jerry the Steadfast turd realized his ways had caught up with him.

At that point he deleted everything on the thread except the first two posts. i had logged everything except the last two posts so here they are.

I will not include anyone other than steadfast, plym and my own posts. Plym gave permission and steadfast, well who really cares what he thinks?

[Vladd44]

Ok Please highlight the part that explains how the threat of eternal damnation negates the idea that you are freely giving yourself to jesus. To explain the parts that don't answer the question would be to copy the whole post because none of it answers my question.... sorry I missed the part about posting in the proper thread.

[Vladd44]

that would be....

Thus, God has made a place called hell to forever get rid of sin, so that everyone He loves in heaven will not become sick with it...
Hell is a prison and landfill,
Hell is a grave that forever separates sin from Heaven…


-Like a life sentence in our worldly prisons, Hell, is a place were God permanently separates out the criminal element to protect the innocent population.

-Like in our world’s Landfills, Hell, is a place were the rotten garbage is kept away from the general population so dieses will not spread from it into the population.

-Like a our worldly grave, hell, is designed to sanitize the living from the corruption of the dead.

After all, even though you Love your wife, if she became sick, by handling something corrupt and died; you could not continue to have her staying at you house or in your bed, you would get sick from her rotting flesh and your whole family could die. She must be sent away from the home to save those who remain.

Do you hate the warden for keeping his prison up?
Do you hate the trash guy for hauling off your rotting trash?
Do you hate the undertaker for burying your loved ones?
NO… So how can you be Angry with God for doing the same with Sin…

Ps I am eraseing those two post asking you to post here, in the other string, to keep it streamlined...

[Vladd44]

ok now that you have defined hell for me and explained what its for and how much sense it makes ..would you agree that it is used in the bible as a tool to help you make your decision to walk with god?

np about the editing

[Vladd44]

Hell was not originally created for man but for Lucifer and his angels, but because man has chosen to follow the path that Satan has laid for them. Because they choose to follow after their flesh and not after the Spirit whom sits and waits for you to FREELY love him or you can love the things of the world and the pleasures thereof but one must remember that it's only for a season then it fades away.

The tool is what is it the world can give you that God cannot give you?

[Vladd44]

PlymouthFury wrote:
Ok Please highlight the part that explains how the threat of eternal damnation negates the idea that you are freely giving yourself to Jesus...

Actually, the threat of hell never was much of an issue in my dicision to Love God...
Rather, I was blown away by the shere power and glory of God...

I became a christian for the benifits of relationship, not the fire insurance...

But I think that your reluctance to fall in Love with Jesus has nothing to do with the threat of hell either...
I think it is more of a desire to avoid change and to avoid become vunerable as a Child before Jesus...

I think that the surrender your pride is a much bigger obsticle for you... then the treat of hell...

[Vladd44]

PlymouthFury wrote:
ok now that you have defined hell for me and explained what its for and how much sense it makes ..would you agree that it is used in the bible as a tool to help you make your decision to walk with God?


For some the fire insurance is what they desire most...
So, for them, it was written...

What's in question here is not truly why God made Hell...But why a mortal human being thinks he can justify where he gets the authority to put God's motives under mortal standards of judgment of right and wrong...

How did you get so wise as to be capable to judge God's motives as Coercion?

I’m not trying to offend, I’m Just being direct...

[Vladd44]

No as for me my not following god has more to do with the the realization that the bible is full of contradictions and inconsistencies and with mistakes like that that it could not be the "word of GOD" that it was said to be and as I investigated more and more that scientific explanations for the origin of the world and of course the dinosaurs and the fact that the earth is millions of years old.....and you know the rest. Pride...I must agree that my posts have read arrogantly and for that I do apologize because you have been very hospitable. However I dare say that if you believe that god is real and hell is real and that you are not afraid of hell you are not right in the head.

As for the fact that hell is used in the bible as a tool for persuasion to assist the unbeliever with their "free will" choice to serve god is a oxymoron in itself.

[Vladd44]

I mean after all if it doesn't bother you then what should it matter?

The reason it doesnt bother me is because I don't believe it exists

[Vladd44]

How did you get so wise as to be capable to judge God's motives as Coercion?

I am only making the point that religion is using it to "win souls" and therefore canceling out the illusion of free will

[Vladd44]

No as for me my not following god has more to do with the the realization that the bible is full of contradictions and inconsistencies and with mistakes like that that it could not be the "word of GOD" that it was said to be and as I investigated more and more that scientific explanations for the origin of the world and of course the dinosaurs and the fact that the earth is millions of years old.....and you know the rest.

Do some research into intelligent design...It is pretty amazing science! Also, there is that annoying little molecular explanation of a nuclear explosion, by a 1st century fisherman in scripture to contend with... Wink

Pride...I must agree that my posts have read arrogantly and for that I do apologize because you have been very hospitable.

It's all good, Many of us contend with this...me included...

However I dare say that if you believe that God is real and hell is real and that you are not afraid of hell you are not right in the head.

How can I be afraid of Hell if I am born again and living for Jesus? That's like a pet cat who lives in the comfort of a mansion, being afraid of being taken by a hawk...
Or like a priceless painting hanging in a French museum being in terrible fear of being burned in a land fill...

As for the fact that hell is used in the bible as a tool for persuasion to assist the unbeliever with their "free will" choice to serve god is a oxymoron in itself.

Only if you use Man's reasoning and limited Human logic...that makes sense...

[Vladd44]

What you telling me is that even if serving god in the way you fell he wants you to would land you in hell then you would still do it?... no need to answer because Im sure you will say yes and I would not believe you.

[Vladd44]

Just because one does not believe that something does not exist does not mean that it is not indeed real.

just because you believe something is there does not make it so either

[Vladd44]

How did you get so wise as to be capable to judge God's motives as Coercion?

I am only making the point that religion is using it to "win souls" and therefore canceling out the illusion of free will

Yes those who are religious, focus solely on hell... But then Jesus doesn't Like religious people... So maybe their focus on hell is warranted...

Focusing on Hell is like focusing on the trash can in the pantry of a giant Mansion…
Like Hell, the trash can has it time and place, but there is so much more to explore in the mansion then the pantry…

[Vladd44]

Many scientific discoveries have been made on Hell and many archeological digs have proven things in the Bible to be true.

no they have only proven that some accounts in the bible have some historical relevance

[Vladd44]

How can I be afraid of Hell if I am born again and living for Jesus? That's like a pet cat who lives in the comfort of a mansion, being afraid of being taken by a hawk...

the same way one is afraid any type of punishment....it keeps a person in line

[Vladd44]

Only if you use Man's reasoning and limited Human logic...that makes sense...

if its not used as a tool for persuasion then what would be gods reasonfor explaining it so graphically to us? I mean you are not suggesting that to be a Christian you must cast aside intelligent reason?

[Vladd44]

What you telling me is that even if serving god in the way you fell he wants you to would land you in hell then you would still do it?... no need to answer because Im sure you will say yes and I would not believe you.

Accually no... I fallow Jesus in the way HE wants me too...
If I fallowed Him as I desired I would mess everything up...

It is by His absolute truth that I walk...and Not by my limitted understanding alone...
It is much easier and fun that way...

You should try it!

[Vladd44]

Also, there is that annoying little molecular explanation of a nuclear explosion, by a 1st century fisherman in scripture to contend with.

scripture please

[Vladd44]

if serving god in the way you feel he wants you to

I believe it was implied that you were to follow his lead

[Vladd44]

Give me one proof .. any proof that God does not exist

Your using a logical fallacy called Negative Proof.

I cannot prove (nor can plym) that there is no god, but at the same token, I cannot prove that there are not invisible pink unicorns dancing over my house.

[Vladd44]

How can I be afraid of Hell if I am born again and living for Jesus? That's like a pet cat who lives in the comfort of a mansion, being afraid of being taken by a hawk...

the same way one is afraid any type of punishment....it keeps a person in line

A trully born again Christian is kept in line, by the desire to not let down the lover of his soul...
Not out of the fear of hell...

You are talking LAW, and I am Talking Grace...
one is death and the other life...
That is why Your points pass by me like a boat in the fog...

[Vladd44]

ok but to say that law does not exist is nuts ....I'm not saying that it is what defines you I'm only saying that the threat god makes to put any person in a burning lake of fire if you don't follow his is coercion of the worst kind and dissolves the idea of free will....do this or else...not much of a choice

[Vladd44]

Also, there is that annoying little molecular explanation of a nuclear explosion, by a 1st century fisherman in scripture to contend with.

scripture please

2 Peter 3:9-10
9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?

Now if you do the greek research on the words "melt"… you will see that they actually say “untie”…
And the greek for “elements” in this translates - Smallest unit of existence… which as you know is an "atom"…

Thus, the ignorant fisherman Peter actually wrote…
“in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the atoms will untie with fervent heat;”

OUCH! Wink

[Vladd44]

God created man because He was lonely and He wanted someone that would commune with Him of their own free will.

Lonely? Can a being who is everywhere and knows everything be lonely? Sounds like Anthropomorphism to me. I fail to see any scriptural validity to this claim.

But I think that your reluctance to fall in Love with Jesus has nothing to do with the threat of hell either...
I think it is more of a desire to avoid change and to avoid become vunerable as a Child before Jesus...

I think that the surrender your pride is a much bigger obsticle for you... then the treat of hell...
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I have known Plym for over 5 years now. I have worked with him and now we are in business together. Regardless of his personality aspects people would consider brash or arrogant, he is one of the fastest people I have ever met at admitting he is wrong.

Whatever weaknesses there may be in his personality, stubborn pride is not an accurate reflection of the man I have come to consider my closest friend.