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Postby ñòóKýçrÕôK on Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:40 pm

April on WMW site wrote:There is a patch. Vladd gave me a copy of it this morning for testing. This is real.

And guess what? I didn't write it. Mine was flushed out of my recycle bin weeks ago when I decided I didn't want to be a part of this sickening rat race any more.

And I have no idea who did write this patch...Vladd won't tell me who it was.

But it is real.

--April
Ome_Leo wrote:This can be found by anyone

Benefits of the Hosts File:

(1.) Uses less resources:

By using a function built into your computer, you will be able to block advertising sites (or any other site you wish) without the need for any extra programs. This will cut down on memory and processor usage, which will free up your resources for other tasks.

(2.) Works on connections other than HTTP:

Most ad-blocking programs will only intercept IP calls going to the HTTP (or web) port on your computer. Other transfers can still get through. The Hosts file, however, will block IP calls on any port, whether it is HTTP, FTP, or whatever else you happen to be doing.

(3.) Eliminate many tracking and privacy concerns:

By intercepting the IP calls before they ever leave your computer, the Hosts file can prevent advertising and tracking companies from ever even knowing you are viewing a web page. This will keep them from profiling you and help you keep your privacy. All sites in the Hosts file entered with a 127.0.0.1 address will never be accessed. Sites that are not in the Hosts file may still track you and send you ads. See the notes section for more information.

To find out which advertisers may be tracking you, please visit this old but excellent web site.

(4.) The Hosts file is configurable:

Rather than relying on others to decide what sites to block for you, you may edit the Hosts file entirely on your own. This means you can put any site you wish into the Hosts file and that site will not be able to be accessed. You can use this to block advertisers, trackers, or sites you would not want your small children to see.
You get to decide entirely what you wish to block, and you don't have to depend on someone else's judgement!

(5.) Increased browsing speed:

By placing sites into your Hosts file with their correct addresses, your computer does not need to ask another computer where to find a site. This can significantly speed up your surfing experience because your computer will go straight to that site instead of having to ask directions. Also, by keeping ads from being loaded using the blocking technique in the Hosts file, web pages will be viewable much more quickly since they won't have to load a lot of fancy graphics.

(6) If you want to acces an Url in the hosts anyway you can just use the IP address in the URL instead of the name!


Some restrictions on the Hosts file:

(1.) It will not work with wildcards, such as *.whateveryouwantgoeshere.com.

(2.) It will not work with URL's that begin with IP numbers.

IP numbers are the numerical equivalent of the www.somesitenamehere.com address, and that is what your computer actually uses to find the web page. The names are there so that humans don't have to remember long strings of numbers. You would need to find the www.whatever.com address that the IP number represents, and then block that name instead of using the IP number. For example, Yahoo!'s address is www.yahoo.com, and its IP address is 204.71.200.67 We can block www.yahoo.com but not the IP address. The reason for this is that Hosts is used to determine IP addresses. If we already know the IP address, Hosts will not be consulted and so can not block the site. I do not recommend actually blocking Yahoo! though, as it is a great search engine!

(3.) It will not work with ads that are served from the same site you are viewing.

The reason for this is that the Hosts file must block an entire site, and can not block subdirectories or pathnames on a site. For example, you could not block www.netscape.com/ads/ because you can't block subdirectories. You would need to block the entire www.netscape.com server, and that would leave you without access to Netscape's site. So you will have to use a different method to eliminate ads that come from the site you are viewing, such as an ad-blocking program.

(4.) It may cause some sites to quit working properly.

If you put the wrong server into your hosts file, it may mean that certain websites will no longer be viewable as they normally would be. To remedy this, remove the entry of the site you wish to unblock from your hosts file.


The hosts file to be found in:

Windows 95/98/Me c:\windows\hosts (might be not present)
Windows NT/2000 c:\winnt\system32\drivers\etc\hosts
Windows XP c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts

Linux /etc/hosts

So there is a patch? If so, let me be the first to say I'm very glad to see it. Way to go pie crew. I'm no wiz but I do kinda see what Leo's getting at. And also that I do understand it is being "tested" atm, not released. The main question I have is I'm curious at to updating. How will it happen? With the dll, changes in the Macrovision ip addresses can be made to the blocklist then updates can take place remotely. Just as if Microsoft were delivering autoupdates. I'm curious as to where and how this patch will update being as it will rely on the hosts file to do the blocking.
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Postby Vladd44 on Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:45 pm

Who said it used the hosts file for blocking?
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Postby ..Ñøßߥ.. on Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:36 am

Im sure Nooky, you will be quick to correct those on WmW who have accused me of lying, that there is no patch, sure, testing is underway, and in fact has been for a little while now, as i stated sometime ago.
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Postby Mick832 on Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:20 am

Vladd44 wrote:Who said it used the hosts file for blocking?


Maybe it uses a dll?
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Postby ..Ñøßߥ.. on Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:55 am

Mick832 wrote:
Maybe it uses a dll?


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Postby Ome_Leo on Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:38 pm

I GOT it, tests are underway to test if there is no patch to test, which in case the test is negative proofs the test needs to be patched to make the patch positive or tested.

If you don't get it, don't ask me, I'm to busy testing the testpatch to test the patch.
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Postby ..Ñøßߥ.. on Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:34 pm

I think your on to something, please can you help with the test Ome? all i need you to do i pull the power cable from the back of your pc, then await further instructions...... :wink:
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Postby p2p rules on Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:36 pm

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Postby subhuman_bob on Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:08 pm

Blocking flooder IPs on WinMX via the HOST file would not work. The HOSTS file can only block (or, more accurately, redirect) by domain name, not by IP address. WinMX reports everything as an IP, so it wouldn't work.
Heck, if it only was that easy...
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Postby Ome_Leo on Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:26 pm

Nobby, Got a problem now, followed your instructions to pull the power cable from the back of my pc, now I only have a black screen, does not even tell me to be patient.
Should I continue with this test or should I pretend to read "please be patient" ?
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Postby Mick832 on Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:29 pm

Put power cable in bucket of water while holding it in hand. Test is successful when you see sparks. :twisted:
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Postby ..Ñøßߥ.. on Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:22 am

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Postby Ome_Leo on Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:39 am

No sparks, maybe I need a magic formula :cry:
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Postby Mick832 on Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:33 am

OK, grab a piece a paper. On it write "direct power through my body till i turn black and buzz".

That should work. It is amazing what a little bit of text can do.
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Postby Ome_Leo on Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:41 pm

Great, that worked, I took a piece of paper, wrote, connect to WPN and block flooder, put it into the diskette station and now it says left of the ignore button, you are safely connected to the WPN. Only problem now is, I can't use the diskette station, but you can't have it all, can you?
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Postby Mick832 on Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:22 pm

Sorry Ome, I thought a text file and a formula would be all you needed. Maybe I was wrong.
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Postby Ome_Leo on Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:18 am

Well, I have been speaking with an english magician, Catweazle, maybe he can find a better formula, he told me to be patient.
For now it works
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Postby ñòóKýçrÕôK on Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:08 am

..Ñøßߥ.. wrote:Im sure Nooky, you will be quick to correct those on WmW who have accused me of lying, that there is no patch, sure, testing is underway, and in fact has been for a little while now, as i stated sometime ago.

I'm sure I won't correct anything until I know something for sure. I asked a question because I was curious for an answer.
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Re: New kid in town ???

Postby ñòóKýçrÕôK on Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:10 am

ñòóKýçrÕôK wrote:
April on WMW site wrote:There is a patch. Vladd gave me a copy of it this morning for testing. This is real.

And guess what? I didn't write it. Mine was flushed out of my recycle bin weeks ago when I decided I didn't want to be a part of this sickening rat race any more.

And I have no idea who did write this patch...Vladd won't tell me who it was.

But it is real.

--April
Ome_Leo wrote:This can be found by anyone

Benefits of the Hosts File:

(1.) Uses less resources:

By using a function built into your computer, you will be able to block advertising sites (or any other site you wish) without the need for any extra programs. This will cut down on memory and processor usage, which will free up your resources for other tasks.

(2.) Works on connections other than HTTP:

Most ad-blocking programs will only intercept IP calls going to the HTTP (or web) port on your computer. Other transfers can still get through. The Hosts file, however, will block IP calls on any port, whether it is HTTP, FTP, or whatever else you happen to be doing.

(3.) Eliminate many tracking and privacy concerns:

By intercepting the IP calls before they ever leave your computer, the Hosts file can prevent advertising and tracking companies from ever even knowing you are viewing a web page. This will keep them from profiling you and help you keep your privacy. All sites in the Hosts file entered with a 127.0.0.1 address will never be accessed. Sites that are not in the Hosts file may still track you and send you ads. See the notes section for more information.

To find out which advertisers may be tracking you, please visit this old but excellent web site.

(4.) The Hosts file is configurable:

Rather than relying on others to decide what sites to block for you, you may edit the Hosts file entirely on your own. This means you can put any site you wish into the Hosts file and that site will not be able to be accessed. You can use this to block advertisers, trackers, or sites you would not want your small children to see.
You get to decide entirely what you wish to block, and you don't have to depend on someone else's judgement!

(5.) Increased browsing speed:

By placing sites into your Hosts file with their correct addresses, your computer does not need to ask another computer where to find a site. This can significantly speed up your surfing experience because your computer will go straight to that site instead of having to ask directions. Also, by keeping ads from being loaded using the blocking technique in the Hosts file, web pages will be viewable much more quickly since they won't have to load a lot of fancy graphics.

(6) If you want to acces an Url in the hosts anyway you can just use the IP address in the URL instead of the name!


Some restrictions on the Hosts file:

(1.) It will not work with wildcards, such as *.whateveryouwantgoeshere.com.

(2.) It will not work with URL's that begin with IP numbers.

IP numbers are the numerical equivalent of the www.somesitenamehere.com address, and that is what your computer actually uses to find the web page. The names are there so that humans don't have to remember long strings of numbers. You would need to find the www.whatever.com address that the IP number represents, and then block that name instead of using the IP number. For example, Yahoo!'s address is www.yahoo.com, and its IP address is 204.71.200.67 We can block www.yahoo.com but not the IP address. The reason for this is that Hosts is used to determine IP addresses. If we already know the IP address, Hosts will not be consulted and so can not block the site. I do not recommend actually blocking Yahoo! though, as it is a great search engine!

(3.) It will not work with ads that are served from the same site you are viewing.

The reason for this is that the Hosts file must block an entire site, and can not block subdirectories or pathnames on a site. For example, you could not block www.netscape.com/ads/ because you can't block subdirectories. You would need to block the entire www.netscape.com server, and that would leave you without access to Netscape's site. So you will have to use a different method to eliminate ads that come from the site you are viewing, such as an ad-blocking program.

(4.) It may cause some sites to quit working properly.

If you put the wrong server into your hosts file, it may mean that certain websites will no longer be viewable as they normally would be. To remedy this, remove the entry of the site you wish to unblock from your hosts file.


The hosts file to be found in:

Windows 95/98/Me c:\windows\hosts (might be not present)
Windows NT/2000 c:\winnt\system32\drivers\etc\hosts
Windows XP c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts

Linux /etc/hosts

So there is a patch? If so, let me be the first to say I'm very glad to see it. Way to go pie crew. I'm no wiz but I do kinda see what Leo's getting at. And also that I do understand it is being "tested" atm, not released. The main question I have is I'm curious at to updating. How will it happen? With the dll, changes in the Macrovision ip addresses can be made to the blocklist then updates can take place remotely. Just as if Microsoft were delivering autoupdates. I'm curious as to where and how this patch will update being as it will rely on the hosts file to do the blocking.
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Postby Ome_Leo on Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:37 pm

Actually I have my brain tested at the moment, the are still digging for it.
What is alerting me badly at the moment is the recent release of king cache software which is not the same as the actual running cache software. What is he up to?? Searching launching pads?
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Postby ñòóKýçrÕôK on Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:17 am

subhuman_bob wrote:Blocking flooder IPs on WinMX via the HOST file would not work. The HOSTS file can only block (or, more accurately, redirect) by domain name, not by IP address. WinMX reports everything as an IP, so it wouldn't work.
Heck, if it only was that easy...
OK, so I guess what I can assume is that this new patch will connect via hosts file and block via a seperate process. Am I right?
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