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Postby GW on Tue Apr 13, 2004 1:01 pm

i am tryinf to save a mpeg file onto a cd. but when i start it it crashes nero and closes it. i tried opening it in divx and an eror message comes up saying to check it is a valid mpeg-4/avi. can anyone help?
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Re: nero crashing

Postby dap OLD werewolf on Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:11 am

GW wrote:i am tryinf to save a mpeg file onto a cd. but when i start it it crashes nero and closes it. i tried opening it in divx and an eror message comes up saying to check it is a valid mpeg-4/avi. can anyone help?


By "tried opening it in divx" I assume you mean in the divx player, right? Well many players can have problems with vcds and svcds, I don't know which one of these your mpeg is. You might be missing the mpeg1 codec for vcd or mpeg2 codec for svcd (I assume that it will be one of the two, not dvd mpeg) - you can get MPEG2 codec installer from http://www.rita.LT, but you would be better off getting a player like PowerDVD or WinDVD, these are the best players for mpegs and will have the codecs as well (unfortunately they are not free). To check which it is if you do not know, you can download the AVICodec (codec identifier) from the site above in the tools section - don't let the name fool you, it reads mpegs as well as avi's, and will be able to tell you if you have the proper codecs needed for that file.

Another possibility is that the person who encoded the file to mpeg did not know what they were doing and created an xvcd or xsvcd instead of a standard vcd/svcd. Mpegs are not like avi's, they must adhere to a specific standard for bitrate, frequency, framerate, etc. in order to be able to play in a non-avi compatible dvd player. If this is the case, if you tried to burn a vcd as video cd or svcd as super vcd in Nero it might have trouble with it, if it's too far off the standard. The AVICodec tool above will tell you all the specs of the mpeg, and to see if it is standard you can check it against the chart here: http://www.rita.lt/video_tools/help/mpeg.htm. If this is the case, however, the only way you can burn it is as data (ISO) and it will not be able to be played in a non-avi compatible dvd player or else you will need to reencode it to meet the proper mpeg standard.

Of course there is the last possibility that the file is simply corrupt.
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Postby GW on Wed Apr 14, 2004 12:14 pm

sorry. guess i didnt explain it properly. what i meant was i d/l an mpeg. i now want to put this onto cd as a svcd using nero6. i used nero express, clicked on the file and then pressed add. once it finished this i clicked on finish and a pop-up came up saying 'internal error' then shuts nero down. hope this makes more sense.
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Postby dap OLD werewolf on Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:40 am

GW wrote:sorry. guess i didnt explain it properly. what i meant was i d/l an mpeg. i now want to put this onto cd as a svcd using nero6. i used nero express, clicked on the file and then pressed add. once it finished this i clicked on finish and a pop-up came up saying 'internal error' then shuts nero down. hope this makes more sense.


My answer still has not changed. You said you downloaded an mpeg, but you didn't say whether the mpeg you downloaded was vcd or svcd. You said that there was an error when you tried opening it in divx (player?) but did not say if it plays in any player.

1. Determine whether the mpeg you downloaded can be played on your computer. Divx is a player made for playing avi's, not mpegs, and as I said, PowerDVD or WinDVD are the best for playing mpegs, but if you don't have these, try in WIndows Media Player. If it doesn NOT play in Windows Media Player you need to determine why - is it simply a lack of having an mpeg1 codec or mpeg2 codec? You will also not be able to burn the file to cd without the proper video and audio codecs needed. Also, if the file cannot get the file to play on your computer with the proper tools, codecs, etc., it will not play after you burn it either. So if there is a chance that the file is corrupt, why burn it?

2. Determine whether the mpeg you downloaded is vcd or svcd by the methods I explained above. If it is a vcd and you are trying to burn it as svcd, it is not only a burn, the application will need to reencode the mpeg as well. Since I do not use Nero Express, I use the full Nero Burning Rom, I'm not even sure Nero Express has encoding capabilities. In order to avoid any reencoding, you must burn a vcd as a video cd and an svcd as super video cd. Trying to burn/encode a vcd to svcd is pointless anyway, as you will only be making a larger file and won't be getting any better quality than the vcd source.
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Postby GW on Thu Apr 15, 2004 7:59 pm

ive fixed. :D thanks for your help. i needed to use Nero Burning Rom.
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Postby Canada Joe on Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:10 pm

Interesting ..wasn't aware there was such a difference in the capabilities between Nero Express & Burning ROM..DAP?
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Postby dap OLD werewolf on Sat Apr 17, 2004 2:04 am

Canada Joe wrote:Interesting ..wasn't aware there was such a difference in the capabilities between Nero Express & Burning ROM..DAP?


Yes, Nero Express does less, I found it to be like a mini version of Nero. Of course I can't say what it's like now, I tried it about a year ago for a day or two then dropped it.
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Nero Express v.s. Burning ROM

Postby Canada Joe on Sat Apr 17, 2004 4:32 am

dap wrote:
Determine whether the mpeg you downloaded is vcd or svcd by the methods I explained above. If it is a vcd and you are trying to burn it as svcd, it is not only a burn, the application will need to reencode the mpeg as well. Since I do not use Nero Express, I use the full Nero Burning Rom, I'm not even sure Nero Express has encoding capabilities. In order to avoid any reencoding, you must burn a vcd as a video cd and an svcd as super video cd. Trying to burn/encode a vcd to svcd is pointless anyway, as you will only be making a larger file and won't be getting any better quality than the vcd source.

Absolutely right..my latest burner came with Express (only) and I hadn't tried to burn VCD since installing..because of this thread I just tried and it said I had to buy the codecs from Nero (this from an installation I paid for when I bought the burner)..it was willing to burn SVCD as you said but not VCD..I installed the Burning ROM CD from previous burner (it replaced the Express with it's own version) and now back to normal .. burnt some DooWop Gold to VCD just to be sure..thanks for the heads up there GW
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Postby dap OLD werewolf on Sat Apr 17, 2004 4:39 am

No problem Canada Joe, glad it worked out and I filed that info away (about Express) for future questions. Although I still always recommend using an app like TMPGEnc instead of Nero to do the actual encoding before burning - the quality is better. Nero wasn't designed to encode, it added the action as an after thought. I'd always rather use something that was specifically designed to do what it's doing. As far as burning goes I wouldn't trade Nero for anything (although I do like the fire-breathing dragon in NTI :lol: ).
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Postby Canada Joe on Sat Apr 17, 2004 4:50 am

Yeah, come to think of it, that's why I never noticed. I record direct to VCD format with my Radeon 9700 and I always use TMPEnc to convert the "Fat" ones that I've downloaded to VCD. Problem never came up. Image
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