mxpie.com site

[Love]

http://www.mxpie.info/downloads.html is Gem's site which she replicated without V's permission hijacking his site mxpie.com. After that, Gem and Jim asked Vladd to resign from pie. That is why Vladd has no further affliliation with mxpie.info group and retorted with this : http://www.vladd44.com/phpbb2/viewtopic ... 4791#44791

We don't support Gem's mxpie.info site, for obvious reasons.

We hope u don't too.

U can go to V44 site with the links here to get yr downloads and MXPIE patch as u always have from mxpie.com : http://www.vladd44.com/phpbb2/viewtopic ... 6324#46324

[Ome_Leo]

I will support who ever is giving me a block free connection to the WPN, i.e. a modified hosts file.
Any kind of block system included in a patch to connect to WPN is vulnerable.

And if I'm right and well informed, mxpie.info was purchased as a backup site for mxpie.com because mxpie.com always went offline due to heavy traffic when the new patches were released.

[Love]

With only one exception ... that Vladd already had 2 mirror sites b4 Gem purchased this mxpie.info. That shows the real treachery involved. Gem went to buy a site without V's knowledge and replicated his mxpie.com site again without his knowledge. When he has 2 other sites available to be mirror sites.

There was treachery involved, Ome_Leo. Gem not only hijacked V's site, without his permission, she also hijacked his rooms. That's why V has nothing to do with the MXPIE rooms and only stays in Vladd44 rooms. If u do not believe, go to any MXPIE room and see r the links in there all from room to helpbot all converted to mxpie.info instead of mxpie.com originally? They r. They were all changed to mxpie.info when they were being called Vladd44 rooms... and those helpbots in them were actually originally made by V from my Magic Formula. That is why V gave those rooms 24 hrs to stop using his name. And those rooms r now rogue in his sight.

That is why V's pie team is making a new patch which will have blocking included but be 100% legal. It is a host file. But includes blocking so users r protected from flooding and fakes. Like what Nobby said, watch out for it.

[subhuman_bob]

I bet this gets deleted in minutes.....
As Vladd did not create most of the pages on mxpie.com but other members did, they are within their rights to duplicate their work elsewhere.
While vladd may own the domain name mxpie.com he does not own the work that other people put into the site.
Calling mxpie.info "Gem's site" is misleading as only two pie group personnell did not move our base of operatins to that site.
I do not support a patch that blocks/filters either. I support edicating the user and suggesting they use blocking software, I support pointing them to this software, I support helping them set up their own blocking software. However I'm a big boy and can filter my own search results, thank you very much.

[Love]

yeah well there is treachery cos Gem not only tried to buy mxpie.com from Vladd and tried to get Plym to give her hosting she also hijacked his site making a replicate of it on mxpie.info.

She never told the pie members any of these ... not even up to the name change of the Vladd44 rooms to MXPIE rooms. They were unaware of the treachery involved and did changes to the helpbots in the helprooms not knowing the treachery involved, changing the links from mxpie.com to mxpie.info.

All these just to obtain mxpie.com site for her own.

[subhuman_bob]

there is treachery cos Gem not only tried to buy mxpie.com from Vladd

How is offering to buy a domain name from someone treachery?

She never told the pie members any of these ... not even up to the name change of the Vladd44 rooms to MXPIE rooms.

If a room host changed the name of their room, how is that treachery?

All these just to obtain mxpie.com site for her own.

No, mxpie.com is registered to Vladd. It is still his site. The site you're questioning is mxpie.info If you note, they are not the same thing.
As has always been stated, MxPIE is a group of people, not any one individual. If more of the members are participating at mxpie.info than at mxpie.com, which site is the "official headquarters?"

[Love]

My only problem is prior to causing treachery on 2 accounts : hijacking site and rooms ... Gem did not tell any pie member of her coveting V's mxpie.com site.

She told noone she tried to buy mxpie.com from V, nor that she tried to get Plym to give her hosting of mxpie.com. Then she bought mxpie.info without V's knowledge and replicated his site mxpie.com on her mxpie.info. This is the 1st treachery.

Then she asks Vladd for his resignation along with Jim.

When he retorts with this : http://www.vladd44.com/phpbb2/viewtopic ... 4791#44791 ,

She changed the links from V's mxpie.com to her site mxpie.info in all the helpbots in all the Vladd44 helprooms which V made 1st with my Magic Formula. All this time, the pie ppl didn't know of the treachery she did with hijacking V's site nor that mxpie.info is not V's but her site. This is the 2nd treachery.

V gave the room hosts 24 hrs to stop using his name. That is why they changed from Vladd44 Helprooms to MXPIE rooms.

After that V has nothing to do with these rogue MXPIE rooms anymore. He does not stay in any of them nor has any afffiliation with them. Nor will I stay in any of them ... V and I r in these rooms instead : http://www.vladd44.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6514


Now if Gem had told pie members all these beforehand, and they are fully aware of the treachery involved, r not ignorant thinking mxpie.info is V's site, then I have no probem with what they choose to do after being made aware of the facts. But they don't. I know that cos when I told them of all these, they were sad and disappointed to know the truth.

Pie team is split into 2 camps due to Gem's greed. Sad but true.

[subhuman_bob]

Actually you haven't answered my questions yet.
Since the roomhosts changed the name of their help rooms, how is that hijacking?
-if the names were changed by Gem as you alledge, why would the hosts not change it back over the course of the past weeks? Do you really think Gem has that total control over someone else's computer that she can decide what their room names are?

V gave the room hosts 24 hrs to stop using his name. That is why they changed from Vladd44 Helprooms to MXPIE rooms.

Oh, glad to see you openly admit that the room hosts changed the room names themselves. I guess Gem didn't hijack their rooms after all, did she? If she didn't hijack the rooms and change the names, then your accusation of treachery is baseless as well. From what you said, Vladd gave them a deadline to stop using his name, and they complied. How is this against Vladd's wishes??

She changed the links from V's mxpie.com to her site mxpie.info

You've also admitted that mxpie.com is still under Vladd's control. So I guess she didn't hijack that either, did she?

Now if Gem had told pie members all these beforehand, and they are fully aware of the treachery involved, r not ignorant thinking mxpie.info is V's site, then I have no probem with what they choose to do after being made aware of the facts. But they don't. I know that cos when I told them of all these, they were sad and disappointed to know the truth.

Which members weren't aware?
Your version of the truth varies from what most percieve it as. For instance, your repeated claims of hijacking and treachery which you then immediately contradict.

[Love]

Treachery like I said is at that point of time how many knew of Gem's treachery? Noone. That's why she can carry it out. Ppl can't protest cos they didn't know there is treachery involved. When they know of it later, u shd hear of their reactions. They all protested against Gem's treachery. Some have even resigned from pie and some of them stopped going to MXPIE rooms completely.

Like I said, I don't care what ppl choose after they r made aware of the facts. But at the time the treachery was done... no pie member knew of the treachery but Gem when it was carried out.

[keitaro urashima]

love you have still to answer the question. and yes we knew what she did when it happened she told us. it is not treachery. it is fact

[Love]

Sam, Jo, Kalama, Stephanie, Sponge, Helper, Klara, E, Cam didn't know of it at all. Boki quit all helprooms. Sam was so sad he said at the time he really didn't know of it. Jo said we r not stupid. (Jo left pie later.) Cam didn't know of it 2 and is sad and disappointed with it all. Kalama said he does not agree with Gem's treachery. Sponge is never going to any MXPIE rooms again. E is just waiting for the new patch to come out. Just some of the reactions of ppl who were not told of Gem's treachery and r sad and disappointed at what Gem has done. And this is fact. They all didn't know of Gem coveting V's mxpie.com site as in she tried to buy it from V and then tried to get Plym to give her hosting of mxpie.com site and also that when she made changes to the helpbots in the then Vladd44 Help rooms they don't even know that mxpie.info is Gem's site and not V's and she is hijacking the links in all the bots ...

If she had told ppl of these b4hand... and had full compliance with them agreeing with what she was doing when she was doing it... that they had full knowledge of treachery to be committed ... then I have nothing to say. But as it is... they don't. Many pie members were not even aware of it until much later when the whole treachery was already completed.

That's the problem, that's why they r angry about it. That's why they protest about it.

[keitaro urashima]

cam was never on to know any of this love and you know it. gem was never coveting vladd's mxpie.com site. but you have still to answer bob's questions.

[Love]

bob's questions r based on facts he is not aware of. Some of them r baseless and I have already answered *Which members weren't aware?*

As to whether u can see this is treachery or not... well it is up 2 u.

I simply highlight it so users and pie members alike r aware of the truth. And right 2 wrongs that has been done to V. At least some of the injustice and backstabbing made against V in this treachery is highlighted to all. That's all I will say of it.

[subhuman_bob]

Sam

In the MxPIE members channel right now

Jo

Resigned last week, well after what you claim happened occurred.

Kalama

also in chat channel right now

Helper

also in chat channel

Cam didn't know of it 2 and is sad and disappointed with it all

Quit MxPIE at least three times I can recall... why inform someone who quit??

Stephanie

I do not know this person, so I cannot comment on them. Same for Klara.
I know who Sponge and Mr. E are, however I do not recall ever seeing their names on the internal organization charts. I do recall them helping out in V's room.

How about those who did know:
Jim, Unique, myself, Beat Doctor, Beertje Dolarcol, Kasey and Lep off the top of my head.
You've also avoided answering many questions.
You've stated that Vladd himself gave room hosts to remove all references to him and his site. If he issued this ultimatum, how do you justify accusing Gem of hijacking the room names?
You've also admitted that he is still in control of mxpie.com, so how has she hijacked that site?

and had full compliance with them agreeing with what she was doing when she was doing it... that they had full knowledge of treachery to be committed

You do not need a unanimous decision to move forward. The majority backed what occurred. We never swore fealty to Vladd, never said we'd stick behind him even if we didn't agree with his decisions. Thus asking him to step down is not treachery. He opted to not step down, instead he stated that those who approached him were no longer in PIE (making a statement that none of us ever gave any one person the authority to say) we went our own way, away from Vladd.
I'm not saying Vladd has bad goals, if he and those working with him yet come up with a way to get people connected, it's a good thing. However we percieved a definite lack of leadership from him in recent months and we will continue to get people connected as well, with or without his participation.
PIE is and always has been a group of many people, not one individual. Vladd may have registered and owns the domain name mxpie.com, but he does not have exclusive rights to the term PIE.

[keitaro urashima]

i agree with bob

[keitaro urashima]

oh and also you evade way too much and why is it spell check comes up each time you hit submit it is insane

[Ome_Leo]

Thanks keitaro urashima and subhuman_bob for the support, I don't like to stir too much, but this had to be cleared.
MxPie.com has been down since the DDoS and MxPie.info is the mirror lots of MxPie users are looking for because we are using PiePatch, don't we?
Now we hear miss magic formula telling that Vladd has turned his back to the PieTeam.
I am very curious after the name of the new patch, as it will be treachery or maybe hijack to call it PiePatch. PiePatch stand for modified hosts, adding a number of flooder IP pointing to 127.0.0.1? Maybe I should launch such a patch an call it Leopatch.
Leo being Links everything online

[ñòóKýçrÕôK]

We don't support Gem's mxpie.info site, for obvious reasons.

Of course it's obvious, you can't support your own site, let alone anyone elses.

bob's questions r based on facts he is not aware of. Some of them r baseless and I have already answered *Which members weren't aware?*

As to whether u can see this is treachery or not... well it is up 2 u.

I simply highlight it so users and pie members alike r aware of the truth. And right 2 wrongs that has been done to V. At least some of the injustice and backstabbing made against V in this treachery is highlighted to all. That's all I will say of it.

Treachery like I said is at that point of time how many knew of Gem's treachery? Noone. That's why she can carry it out. Ppl can't protest cos they didn't know there is treachery involved. When they know of it later, u shd hear of their reactions. They all protested against Gem's treachery. Some have even resigned from pie and some of them stopped going to MXPIE rooms completely.

Like I said, I don't care what ppl choose after they r made aware of the facts. But at the time the treachery was done... no pie member knew of the treachery but Gem when it was carried out.

See this is the famous Love's Magic Deffence Formula. A user has disagreed with someone from pie.com so therefor they must be sectioned out from the rest drawn and whipped. Discredited to the point that even their own mother couldn't recognise them, then be accused of stealing, lies, and wrong doing so that pie.com may still carry it's glorious luster. *bullshit*

yeah well there is treachery

yeah there is treachery alright and it lays at your feet for all your piss poor advice and lack of information. And Bob keep your coat tails down. She'll be nippin at your ass next.

Pie team is split into 2 camps due to Gem's greed.

LMMMMMMMMFFAAAAAAOOOOOO!!!! Aint THAT the pot callin the kettle black?????

[subhuman_bob]

adding a number of flooder IP pointing to 127.0.0.1? Maybe I should launch such a patch an call it Leopatch.
Leo being Links everything online

You can try, but it won't work. HOSTS file layout is in the format of IP Address and name, not IP Address and IP Address. It would be nice if things were that simple, but they rarely are.

[Camille]

hey this is great, i am not around and yet Love is posting a reply for me.............how nice


before you continue with the mud slinging Love you need to get your facts right


we all know where the tretchery lay, shame you cant see it......

do not bring my name into any of this, do you understand me ????

and i quit because i have a life and a family, and i got sick of the back biting, back stabbing and general bullshit, plus the adds on mxpie.com telling users they could BUY winmx

and i dont like the way one wanted all the glory with none of the work

Pie team is a group of people, not an individual


what disappoints me most, is that 10 months of work all went down the drain for lots of people, pie team and users alike, they lost all trust they had

how many do you see in the help rooms ?

how many new users do you see ?

so many on both sides worked their asses off for winmx

and then there is people like Linda( V's mouth piece ) who never has a kind word to say about anyone other than Vladd


wonder how long it will be before this post is deleted, dont worry i will copy and paste it incase for others to read just incase Linda's fingers cant help themselves


shame none of you thought about the user first instead of yourselves



take those people who deserve it, the rest can kiss my ass

[Ome_Leo]

adding a number of flooder IP pointing to 127.0.0.1? Maybe I should launch such a patch an call it Leopatch.
Leo being Links everything online

You can try, but it won't work. HOSTS file layout is in the format of IP Address and name, not IP Address and IP Address. It would be nice if things were that simple, but they rarely are.

Of course I would ask the flooders to organize in the same domain, like www.flooders.org. Simple or not?

[Sable]

I bet this gets deleted in minutes.....
As Vladd did not create most of the pages on mxpie.com but other members did, they are within their rights to duplicate their work elsewhere.
While vladd may own the domain name mxpie.com he does not own the work that other people put into the site.

i made the german page and some of MY friends made the other language pages. we made them for mxpie.com and not for info.... WHO asked ME if they can be used for mxpie.info ???
nacho got my job as the translation leader after i was firewalled by jim and quit the team...why the hell can´t he get his team together and made something new like i will do with some people from my old team soon ?

[Ome_Leo]

Hold on a minute, since when is translating the same as making?
Not for info? does it not tell how to connect winmx to the peer and more?
Seems info to me.

And another thing, I started this thread to get some clearness about not mentioning a Pie mirror site.

I still don't understand why all of you are fighting for honour and fame.

Aren't we all after a stable WinMx peer? Even while WinMx is not further develloped in three years, it is obvious still worth fighting for. So please let us accept any kind of advertisement, support sites and helprooms.

Actually it is ridicules and childish behavior to have two groups of peer cache holders for the same peer, blocking users who are not connecting with the cache holders patch. I know, it is only halve the truth.

And whoever thinks just blocking WinMx flooder is going to help the primary connected users is badly wrong.

note, I'm talking about cache holders, not cash holders

[Sable]

the riaa will destroy winmx if we don´t stop them. i know many people which left winmx because they only get fake files. we will sit alone here with the riaa if we won´t stop them.

i don´t care if my work is on mxpie.info but its not made by gem or the guy which is only on winmx to pick up girls.

its my work for vladd, sabre and the old pie team...not for gem and jim alone

[Ome_Leo]

I have seen fake files from the early start of winmx, they existed in the time of the bulletin boards, very frustrating when you could not get your files complete after weeks of downloading on your 14k4 modem, or, when complete appeared to be completely different from what you expected to get.

File flooder are the problem we are after, but they won't destroy WinMx, it's the users who are performing searches after those files who are triggering the traffic, no one can advertise actively files on the peer.
Like servers protecting themselves against mass-mail and DDoS, primary users should protect themselves against huge traffic, PG2 being one of the tools to do so.

There is a big difference in searching for file names and searching for filehashes

It is one of the powers of WinMx you can find the files you are after by browsing users in the channels. WinMx "automatic find sources" works on file hashes.

MxPie.info is a public site as far as I know and as it seems to be an exact copy of the now not online mxpie.com, not holding any credits on the origin of the site builder, who the hell cares about it, as long as new winmx users can get the info they are after.

Thank you Sable for your work on it, wish you had mentioned the WinMx users too.