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Losing my religion for equality, by Jimmy Carter

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Losing my religion for equality, by Jimmy Carter

Postby April on Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:23 am

yes, THAT Jimmy Carter

Women and girls have been discriminated against for too long in a twisted interpretation of the word of God.

I HAVE been a practising Christian all my life and a deacon and Bible teacher for many years. My faith is a source of strength and comfort to me, as religious beliefs are to hundreds of millions of people around the world. So my decision to sever my ties with the Southern Baptist Convention, after six decades, was painful and difficult. It was, however, an unavoidable decision when the convention's leaders, quoting a few carefully selected Bible verses and claiming that Eve was created second to Adam and was responsible for original sin, ordained that women must be "subservient" to their husbands and prohibited from serving as deacons, pastors or chaplains in the military service.

This view that women are somehow inferior to men is not restricted to one religion or belief. Women are prevented from playing a full and equal role in many faiths. Nor, tragically, does its influence stop at the walls of the church, mosque, synagogue or temple. This discrimination, unjustifiably attributed to a Higher Authority, has provided a reason or excuse for the deprivation of women's equal rights across the world for centuries.

At its most repugnant, the belief that women must be subjugated to the wishes of men excuses slavery, violence, forced prostitution, genital mutilation and national laws that omit rape as a crime. But it also costs many millions of girls and women control over their own bodies and lives, and continues to deny them fair access to education, health, employment and influence within their own communities.

The impact of these religious beliefs touches every aspect of our lives. They help explain why in many countries boys are educated before girls; why girls are told when and whom they must marry; and why many face enormous and unacceptable risks in pregnancy and childbirth because their basic health needs are not met.

In some Islamic nations, women are restricted in their movements, punished for permitting the exposure of an arm or ankle, deprived of education, prohibited from driving a car or competing with men for a job. If a woman is raped, she is often most severely punished as the guilty party in the crime.

The same discriminatory thinking lies behind the continuing gender gap in pay and why there are still so few women in office in the West. The root of this prejudice lies deep in our histories, but its impact is felt every day. It is not women and girls alone who suffer. It damages all of us. The evidence shows that investing in women and girls delivers major benefits for society. An educated woman has healthier children. She is more likely to send them to school. She earns more and invests what she earns in her family.

It is simply self-defeating for any community to discriminate against half its population. We need to challenge these self-serving and outdated attitudes and practices - as we are seeing in Iran where women are at the forefront of the battle for democracy and freedom.

I understand, however, why many political leaders can be reluctant about stepping into this minefield. Religion, and tradition, are powerful and sensitive areas to challenge. But my fellow Elders and I, who come from many faiths and backgrounds, no longer need to worry about winning votes or avoiding controversy - and we are deeply committed to challenging injustice wherever we see it.

The Elders are an independent group of eminent global leaders, brought together by former South African president Nelson Mandela, who offer their influence and experience to support peace building, help address major causes of human suffering and promote the shared interests of humanity. We have decided to draw particular attention to the responsibility of religious and traditional leaders in ensuring equality and human rights and have recently published a statement that declares: "The justification of discrimination against women and girls on grounds of religion or tradition, as if it were prescribed by a Higher Authority, is unacceptable."

We are calling on all leaders to challenge and change the harmful teachings and practices, no matter how ingrained, which justify discrimination against women. We ask, in particular, that leaders of all religions have the courage to acknowledge and emphasise the positive messages of dignity and equality that all the world's major faiths share.

The carefully selected verses found in the Holy Scriptures to justify the superiority of men owe more to time and place - and the determination of male leaders to hold onto their influence - than eternal truths. Similar biblical excerpts could be found to support the approval of slavery and the timid acquiescence to oppressive rulers.

I am also familiar with vivid descriptions in the same Scriptures in which women are revered as pre-eminent leaders. During the years of the early Christian church women served as deacons, priests, bishops, apostles, teachers and prophets. It wasn't until the fourth century that dominant Christian leaders, all men, twisted and distorted Holy Scriptures to perpetuate their ascendant positions within the religious hierarchy.

The truth is that male religious leaders have had - and still have - an option to interpret holy teachings either to exalt or subjugate women. They have, for their own selfish ends, overwhelmingly chosen the latter. Their continuing choice provides the foundation or justification for much of the pervasive persecution and abuse of women throughout the world. This is in clear violation not just of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights but also the teachings of Jesus Christ, the Apostle Paul, Moses and the prophets, Muhammad, and founders of other great religions - all of whom have called for proper and equitable treatment of all the children of God. It is time we had the courage to challenge these views.


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Re: Losing my religion for equality, by Jimmy Carter

Postby Mando on Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:37 am

See 'ole Jimmy has finally gotten dementia and forget the words of the bible and their meaning...

AS A WIFE
"encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be dishonored." Titus 2:4-5

"get married, bear children, keep house" 1 Timothy 5:14

"But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint." 1 Timothy 2:15

TO SUBMIT
1 Tim 3:14,15; 2:11-15 — ...But I [Paul, as an Apostle of Jesus Christ, with full authority of one inspired by God] suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

TO BE A HELPER
Genesis 2:18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."

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Re: Losing my religion for equality, by Jimmy Carter

Postby Vladd44 on Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:39 pm

Mando wrote:Image


Wouldn't the for dummies part be a given?

Mando wrote:See 'ole Jimmy has finally gotten dementia and forget the words of the bible and their meaning...


ROFLMGDAAO. I never considered Mando to be a negro until I read this sentence. I love the lack of tenses when talking to groes.

As far as all the other puke written. Yeah, Carter should just stfu, go home and beat his wife a few times.

After all the bible teaches all sort of lunacy.

1. If a woman is raped, and no one hears her screams.....she needs to be stoned to death.

Deu 22 wrote:23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.


2. Women are to be used as they were made to be used.

Romans 1:27 wrote:and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.


3. Women are tainted and being with them is a defiling act.

Rev 14:4 wrote:These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.


4. Selling women as slaves is acceptable.

Exodus 21:7 wrote:And if a man sells his daughter to be a female slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. I


I'm with you Mando. Men are superior, and women are nothing more than our playthings.

What the hell is wrong with Jimmy Carter? Next he will be wanting to feed hungry children or something else that will ba an inconvenience.

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Re: Losing my religion for equality, by Jimmy Carter

Postby April on Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:21 pm

Mando wrote:Image


Have you read that book? Are you turning Catholic on us?

That book was written by a Catholic priest, who is also known for his other books, Catholicism for Dummies and John Paul II For Dummies

Additionaly, it's not about women in general, it's about specific women.

Mando, you are guilty of doing just as Jimmy Carter described, picking & choosing bible verses and using them as an excuse to oppress women and deny them their civil rights.

And Mando, are you aware that under Islamic law, it is impossible for a muslim man to rape a Christian woman? A muslim man may force a Christian woman to have sex with him, against her will, and it is not considered rape because the purpose in life of a Christian woman (according to Islamic law) is to serve as a sex slave to any muslim man that feels a need to relieve himself. Even if she is married, she is still considered to be a sex slave for any muslim man that wants to get it on with her.

And if she dares to accuse him of rape, she condemns herself as a liar and will be punished for bringing a false accusation against him.

And in another example of how religious beliefs affect women, in India, right now, young virgin women are being forced to plow fields naked, in an effort to embarrass the weather gods to provide much needed rain.

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Re: Losing my religion for equality, by Jimmy Carter

Postby Vladd44 on Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:59 pm

I came across the rain and naked women article a few days ago and initially (when seeing the headline on google) I saw Indian(a), and thought damn those Indianians have changed since I last knew any of them.... having their daughters plow naked?

I figured Canada Joe would show up eventually with some pix :P

Now I am convinced that I should convert to islam and start looking for all the sexy christian women.

Of course Mando is catholic. I have called him catholic previously. What else could he be? The books in his bible were chosen by catholics.
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Re: Nekkid Plow Jockies

Postby Canada Joe on Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:42 pm

Vladd44 wrote:.... having their daughters plow naked
I figured Canada Joe would show up eventually with some pix :P


Sorry, local girls won't cooperate...

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Re: Losing my religion for equality, by Jimmy Carter

Postby ..Ñøßߥ.. on Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:20 pm

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