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How our tax system works

Postby Canada Joe on Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:28 am

Liars figure but figures don't lie.

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. 'Since you are all such good customers,' he said, 'I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.' Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?' They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay. And so:

The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. 'I only got a dollar out of the $20,'declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,' but he got $10!''Yeah, that's right,' exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!' 'That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!'

'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!' The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

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University of Georgia


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Re: How our tax system works

Postby ..Ñøßߥ.. on Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:21 am

lol, i like that.
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Re: How our tax system works

Postby Mick832 on Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:59 am

Canada Joe wrote:Liars figure but figures don't lie.

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:


10 men go out for beer and spend $100. That is $10 each. The problem is they don't drink enough beer, and since most of the price of a beer is government tax, then the rest is irrelevant.

The Australian tax system works by drinking a heap more beer, getting blind drunk and not worrying about how much or from whom the tax is coming.
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Re: How our tax system works

Postby Vladd44 on Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:24 am

One reason the weath redistributers in washington don't get the basics of tax structure.

Giving the bottom 90% a tax break can at best enhance consumption, while freeing up capital at the top can directly generate jobs and increase consumption.

I shudder to think what the interventionist policies are in store for us over the coming administration. I can only hope they spend no worse than the current spending whore who occupies the white house.
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Re: How our tax system works

Postby Kelvar on Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:37 am

Quick answer, it doesn't really. Unless your a lawyer. :twisted:
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Re: How our tax system works

Postby April on Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:02 am

Maybe that's how it's done where you come from, but here in the NJ we do things a bit differently...

The first 4 men all work for the 10th guy and the 10th guy feels that since he is paying them a wage (so damn low that they can't even afford a mug of beer), he shouldn't have to pay for his beer too...and the owner of the bar agrees with him only because he's afraid the 10th guy will complain to his brother Guido who will send his goons to break his legs if he doesn't. So he has artificially jacked up the price of beer in order to collect more from the 5th through 9th guys and gives the 10th guy a refund after the bar closes (none of the other guys know about this and if the owner says anything, he will get his kneecaps busted).

This means the 10th guy is paying $0 (possibly less than that).

Now the 5th through 10th guys all feel that the 1st through 4th guys shouldn't be given a "free ride" so they force those guys to provide transportation to the bar at their own expense, chauffeuring the rest of them...and making them pay for the gas and car insurance which is quite expensive because NJ has highest car insurance rates in the country. (the poor can't afford beer, but they are expected to afford gas & insurance so their buddies won't have to pay those high prices when they go out drinking, won't have to risk getting a DWI, and won't end up with double rate increase on insurance for the next 3-5 years)

The bartender feels the 1st through 4th guys shouldn't be drinking at all, since they are designated drivers, so he has secretly replaced the beer in their mugs with piss, so he won't end up legally liable if they get into an accident after leaving the bar. (victims of drunk drivers are allowed to sue the bartender in NJ)

So the 1st through 4th guys can't afford beer because the 10th guy is a cheapskate. They all make those 4 guys pay for gas, insurance, and vehicle maintenance (which is higher than the price of beer), the 4 guys at the bottom are paying the highest price overall and are not entitled to a dime when the refund comes around, and all they get for all of it, is a glass of piss, and their kids won't get shit for Giftmas because the Giftmas money was spent on gas to drive the rest of them to the bar.

And the 10th guy makes a profit, which he doesn't share with the first 4 in the form of a Giftmas bonus so they can buy stuff for their kids, and instead he spends it on accessories for his new car, that looks great in his garage while the poor slobs at the bottom are driving him to the bar.

Not only that, but the 10th guy is really pissed off at the whole thing because the owner should have kept his big mouth shut and secretly given the whole wad of cash to him, so he tells his brother Guido, who sends his goons and they kick the living shit out of the owner of the bar, and the 5th through 9th guys never get another discount or refund again.
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Re: How our tax system works

Postby ..Ñøßߥ.. on Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:34 am

Nobby crossess NJ off his list of holiday destinations, the drivers are all angry, poor & drink piss, the middle classes just scrape a living barely, and the rich folk all have mafia connections! :roll:
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Re: How our tax system works

Postby Vladd44 on Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:47 pm

Truth is, all nobby can think now is NJ!!!! Free warm urine!!!!

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Re: How our tax system works

Postby April on Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:43 pm

Vladd44 wrote:Truth is, all nobby can think now is NJ!!!! Free warm urine!!!!

He may be governor before it is over.


It's not free. He has to buy the gas & car insurance.

But on the bright side, he won't have to pump his own gas...that's illegal here.
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Postby ..Ñøßߥ.. on Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:27 am

I dont think i will ever fully comprehend just how wierd Americans really are.... :roll:
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