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How I came to realize Christianity is False

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How I came to realize Christianity is False

Postby Vladd44 on Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:56 pm

One day I was in the middle of an argument with a person who believed in God, but didn't belong to the particular flavor in which I believed. The topic was about Baptism.

While we bantered different scriptures around supporting our divergent positions, I realized that there was one really simple answer that answered every contradiction I had ever had to rationalize with the bible.

I had neglected to consider it my entire life, but rather than continual splitting of hairs to make each verse fit, there was the possibility that the whole thing was just made up.

It felt like a kick in the gut because immediately the simplicity of the solution made to much sense to ignore. The absolute incredulous shock that such a clear answer was there the whole time but I had been conditioned not to even see it. I had been walking around cleaning up elephant feces for most of my life without ever looking for the elephant.

Many people talk about stages of this process, but I must confess I missed most of their steps. Denial was not a factor once I considered the question. The shock phase only lasted a couple weeks while I sorted out the obvious.

But when it came to the anger stage...well, honestly that is where I hope to make my home. People talk about the fifth stage being acceptance, no thanks. One of the lessons I have taken from christianity is that tolerance of evil is intolerable. Which has caused me to turn on christianity with all the distaste it so richly deserves.

First and foremost I am angry at myself. I have always considered myself a person who allowed the facts to speak for themselves. To follow the evidence wherever it went regardless of the result. But for the first 20+ years of my life I didn't even start the Journey. Even though most of that time I lived my life not doing what I considered right. I actually condemned myself as being hellbound and lived with that label in spite of the fact that I would have qualified as a christian in most major denominations.

Also angry at those who had deceived me. My parents being first on the list, but with my dad being dead, that was a dead end. And even now considering him the best influence I have had in my life, it has tempered my respect for him simply because I do not understand how such a rational man could have continued to get it wrong for his entire life. My mother, well our relationship has always been a bit strained to say the least. And nothing to be gained by bashing her, she is most content in a small world that does not challenge her in the slightest.

My dad also has double duty in the situation being my only real pastor. But once again, dead end.

I never wish to let myself off the hook for "bringing others to christ". I think of some of them on a regular basis, that is my cross to bear.

It does seem unfortunate to consider people such as my childhood friend, who also happens to be my brother-in-law and my wife's family now as the enemy. But there is no middle ground.

I know that in their eyes I will always be a fallen away sinner who needs god. And most likely in nothing more than denial/rebellion (Don't you just love that one) of god. In their eyes the devil is just using me :P.

I am just as strident in my disbelief as I was in my belief. Memories of myself as a small child convinced that god could come back at anytime and I would go to hell are something I never want to forget. Because right now there are children getting that same indoctrination.

So until there are no churches, synagogues or temples left, let the war continue.
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Postby ..Ñøßߥ.. on Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:25 am

Just a passing thought, do you think your Dad may have put on a front as a Christian just for the sake of the job? I do sometimes wonder what percentage of pastors and the like do actually really believe in god, many a comedy show has poked fun at "men of the cloth" for not even believing in god, perhaps there is some truth in that.

Heres a report into pastors incomes, damn, they get a pretty good wage, perhaps we should consider signing up and bringing down the Church from within, whilst getting paid well? :fire Only downside is, i don't really like to work weekends, hmm but i guess i don't have much to do during the week, so errm perhaps its a goer?

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Re: How I came to realize Christianity is False

Postby Vladd44 on Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:21 pm

Considering the fact that my dad did not take a salary and the church was easily a net less it would make no sense.

My dad made his living outside of the church.
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Postby ..Ñøßߥ.. on Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:57 pm

Vladd44 wrote:Considering the fact that my dad did not take a salary and the church was easily a net less it would make no sense.

My dad made his living outside of the church.


So a real beleiver then? Hmmm, i am interested to know something, since you mentioned your dad was an intelligent man, you no doubt questioned him about his belief, what was he reasoning behind him feeling so strongly there is a god?
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Re: How I came to realize Christianity is False

Postby Vladd44 on Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:53 am

I can only attribute it to a personal belief.
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Postby ahamtatsat on Mon May 10, 2010 10:01 pm

vlad
one other thing you could choose to take (and it is not a christian property) is forgiveness. cut yourself some slack. you were also brought up in an environment where the religion was quite overwhelming.

some personal parallels. brought up in what i called the first christian deformed crutch of oak lawn (illinois). had to go to church a coupld hours sunday morning. a couple hours sunday evening. a couple hours monday night for catechism. a couple hours tuesday night for young people's. in the summer a thursday evening softball (christian) league. on fridays some years a couple hours for the calvinist cadets.
cheapshit boy scout take-off.

then there was chicago southwest christian school, and then chicago christian high school. after my freshman year the folks realized they were wasting money trying to turn me into a good little christian of their stripe so i went to public school.

so there we were a couple of innocents awash in a sea of christian love or whatever. where did you realistically have a chance of hearing a discouraging word? everyone you grew up knowing and loving may have either been a believer or someone who chose not to usurp your parents perogatives in choosing how to raise you.

if you were like me you were seldom if ever exposed to opposing viewpoints. if everyone is playing the game don't expect your younger self to have the perception to make up a new reality in conflict with all you "know" and is held dear by those you love. no doubt your parents did the best they could with the intelligence, energy, and abilities they had at the time. it is the old premise of hearing something so many times it seems to be the truth.

fortunately/unfortunately for myself i am also quite different from you in that i was born remembering parts of three lives. one in which i was guillotined. one in which i was a samurai in 14th century japan and killed one of the two ronin who attacked me at night, and one in india. i recall getting out the encyclopedia as a three year old and sitting on dad's recliner, looking at the sepia tones of the temples in the center of the pages and telling myself "i want to go home. i want to go home." then i had conscious astral projections and a cosmic consciousness experience over christmas break in the third grade.

all these things made me investigate the other side of the rejection of "christianity". there are mysteries out there which involve spirituality but christianity didn't get it right too often. we can do better. for ourselves, and for the big ourself.

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Re: How I came to realize Christianity is False

Postby bincoder on Tue May 11, 2010 2:40 am

Jimmy Swaggart, Ernest Angley, Jim Jones, the pope (all several dozens of them), and Muhammad (pic available here --> :P )
One common denominator. Do as I say. Because i am just a tool of The Lord and I speak his words.
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Re: How I came to realize Christianity is False

Postby Hitcher on Tue Oct 26, 2010 4:04 pm

take it all back vladd!
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Re: How I came to realize Christianity is False

Postby Vladd44 on Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:13 pm

Lol Hitch.
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Postby ..Ñøßߥ.. on Fri Nov 12, 2010 3:58 pm

glad you finally found your way home Vladd, i presumed you had finally left V44 and moved in with Steadfast...
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