Biblical Question : Who did Cain marry?

[Love]

k I am starting some biblical discussions ... Mando agreed to answer any question I asked and these ?s may be more biblically-based than normal so I will call them Biblical Question : to differentiate them from the normal ones ... I simply ask that discussion is kept free of mockery and derogatory stuff. Take it as a bible study of sorts. So my request on such topics that start off with *Biblical Question* pls think of it as a clean discussion like a bible study. Try not to mock God, post indecent stuff or u know the usual Cesspool norm kind of threads. It's just a special request from me, that's all. If u find it beneath u (as non-Christians) just pass the thread by and don't be involved in it. Thank you.

k let's start off with something simple ...

Biblical Question : Who did Cain marry?

k this is a well-known one.

Who did Cain marry?

As according to scripture, Cain left after God admonished him and banished him after Cain murdered his brother Abel.

16 So Cain went out from the LORD's presence and lived in the land of Nod, [f] east of Eden.

17 Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch.

(Genesis 4:16-17)

He wandered to a place and lived in Nod, east of Eden. There he found a wife and had a family. Now who is his wife that he married, since we know that Adam and his wife Eve had 3 sons : Cain, Abel and Seth. And God rested from all His creation and did not make any more ppl after making Adam and Eve.

Did Adam and Eve had more children not mentioned in the bible for Cain to find a wife to marry?

1 Adam [a] lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. [b] She said, "With the help of the LORD I have brought forth [c] a man." 2 Later she gave birth to his brother Abel.

(Genesis 4:1-2)

25 Adam lay with his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth, [i] saying, "God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him." 26 Seth also had a son, and he named him Enosh.

Genesis 4:25-26

2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested [a] from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done. (Genesis 2:2-3)

[DragonRider]

Love, your not going to like the answer. After much study I have came upon the following explaination:

Cain was the first child of Adam and Eve recorded in Scripture (Genesis 4:1). His brothers, Abel (Genesis 4:2) and Seth (Genesis 4:25), were part of the first generation of children ever born on this earth.

Even though only these three males are mentioned by name, Adam and Eve had other children. In Genesis 5:4 a statement sums up the life of Adam and Eve—“And the days of Adam after he had fathered Seth were eight hundred years. And he fathered sons and daughters.” This does not say when they were born. Many could have been born in the 130 years (Genesis 5:3) before Seth was born.

During their lives, Adam and Eve had a number of male and female children. The Jewish historian Josephus wrote that, “The number of Adam's children, as says the old tradition, was thirty-three sons and twenty-three daughters.”

The Bible does not tell us how many children were born to Adam and Eve. However, considering their long life spans (Adam lived for 930 years—Genesis 5:5), it would seem reasonable to suggest there were many! Remember, They were commanded to “Be fruitful, and multiply” (Genesis 1:28 ).

The sons and daughters of Adam and Eve engaged in incest in order to populate the world. The human race consists of nothing but abominations.

[Mando]

Adam lived many hundred years.

We don't know the birth order or clear number of children had by Adam and Eve, nor their offspring (Genesis 5:4)

A prohibition against incest was not given until later (Lev. 18:6-18 ).

Cain would have married a sister, a niece, or some other relation.

[Love]

I have to confess I already know the answer I just wanted to start off with something simple that's why my ? is phrased like that with no mention of ages ... I want to point out certain stuff that most non-Christians have a wrong idea about the bible and that these issues can be addressed here.

[DragonRider]

But doesn't the prohibition against incest only apply to the Israelites?

Leviticus 18:1-3 opens with "The LORD said to Moses, "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'I am the LORD your God. You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices" and concludes in Leviticus 18:30 with the instruction to "Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the LORD your God."

How does that effect me, I'm not Jewish?

[Sable]

and we all know that nobody can live several hundred of years..... and if he had that many kids...then not only eve can be the mother...were there more women ? but from where if adam and eve were the first humans on earth ?? and what about these "stupid ignorant bad" academics who tells us we are descend from the monkeys ?
damn christians...use your brains

[DragonRider]

Sable, let me explain, In the beginning there were one set of rules and people lived for many hundreds of years, sometimes as much as a thousand. Everybody could do what they liked, incest and such was all perfectly OK. So Adam and Eves sons and daughters had children together. Then after a real long time God decided to change the rules, so he told Moses that he didn't want the Israelites to commit incest, beastiality, homosexuality, or other stuff like that anymore, he said he didn't want them to do what the Egyptians and Caananites were doing. That was when the Jews became "the chosen people". I hope that this explaination helps you to understand.

[Sable]

Ty Pope Dragon

[DragonRider]

Of course because of the way the original rules were laid out this didn't mean that Cain's wife couldn't have been Eve...his own mother. We do know by what the Bible says that it had to be a blood relative though. The Bible is full of kinky stuff.

[loveistruth]

In the beginning there were one set of rules and people lived for many hundreds of years, sometimes as much as a thousand. Everybody could do what they liked, incest and such was all perfectly OK. So Adam and Eves sons and daughters had children together. Then after a real long time God decided to change the rules, so he told Moses that he didn't want the Israelites to commit incest, beastiality, homosexuality, or other stuff like that anymore, he said he didn't want them to do what the Egyptians and Caananites were doing. That was when the Jews became "the chosen people". I hope that this explaination helps you to understand.

Your explanation ddoes help and makes a lot of sense up to halfway, when it becomes a bit sarcastic, though basically true. Genetic diversity would probably be unnecessary in the beginning, but would become increasibly so over time, hence the introduction of rules.

Another interesting thought, liable to bring hordes of objections, is that the word adam, in its original Hebrew, meant man in the plural sense and not a single man.

Reading from the original that God made men and women would be a possible explanation for there being so many of them around at the time.

[Vladd44]

Reading from the original that God made men and women would be a possible explanation for there being so many of them around at the time.

Are you suggesting that the biblical Adam and Eve were not literal people? Just trying to be sure I am not misunderstanding you.

[loveistruth]

Reading from the original that God made men and women would be a possible explanation for there being so many of them around at the time.

Are you suggesting that the biblical Adam and Eve were not literal people? Just trying to be sure I am not misunderstanding you.

No. Just explaining that the Hebrew word adam does not necessarily mean an individual person, though is is usually taken to mean that it does, and a considerable amount of the confusion and queries about the first two chapters of Genesis, such as those in this thread, would not arise if the group possibilities of the word was considered as a possibility.

It is worth remembering that strict instructions, about what to translate literally or not, were given by King James when ordering the translation of the bible from the original Greek and Hebrew into English, and those instructions included an order that names, such as adam, in common use were not to be changed, however much the original language suggested otherwise.

This is most noticeable in the word Jehoshua which had traditionally become Jesus, and remained as Jesus in the new translation.

[Vladd44]

No. Just explaining that the Hebrew word adam does not necessarily mean an individual person, though is is usually taken to mean that it does, and a considerable amount of the confusion and queries about the first two chapters of Genesis, such as those in this thread, would not arise if the group possibilities of the word was considered as a possibility.

So your saying it is possible that the story is not literal?

You say if the group possibilities of the word was considered, from here it seems to be what you are saying.

[EvCBrian]

Cain's wife probably belonged to an entirely different race.

Remember that God told Adam and Eve to 'replenish' the Earth, so perhaps Cain's wife was a survivor of the people who lived before Adam and Eve?

Genesis 1:28 KJV

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

[loveistruth]

Cain's wife probably belonged to an entirely different race.

Remember that God told Adam and Eve to 'replenish' the Earth, so perhaps Cain's wife was a survivor of the people who lived before Adam and Eve?

Genesis 1:28 KJV

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

A distinct possibility.

[April]

I may have an entirely different interpretation of the whole creation story, as presented in the bible, but I think it makes more sense than what I have heard anyone else voice in relation to their traditional interpretations of Adam being the first man.

The bible does NOT say Adam was the first man.

It does, however, say he was the first farmer.

1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
2:11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
2:12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
2:13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
2:14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

God made people on the 6th day, rested on the 7th, and didn't make Adam until AFTER that.

So Cain's wife was most likely a woman that was of the people created on the 6th day, rather than anybody that was a decendant of Adam & Eve.

Now that wouldn't imply any kind of incest, would it?

[Hitcher]

sweet. great work. never heard anyone say that b4

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wb to the forum Bitcher

[Vladd44]

Gay Hitcher...

I mean hey hitcher..

Kenny can save even you!

[DragonRider]

2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Oh great, now your trying to say that Adam was actually a Mexican seasonal picker and that he worked in a minimum wage job in the East of Eden...I bet it was the SOUTH east of Eden and "de ol' massah" didn't grow nothin' but cotton...

BTW, Welcome back Hitch, I hear that all the butt pirates have missed you "sorely"...LOL...

[thegolfer]

The akjv genesis 3:20 says that eve is the mother of all living thus Cain married his sister. akjv genesis 5:4 clearly says that Adam begat sons and daughters. There is two interesting books of Adam and Eve not in the bible but interestingly gives the name of this daughter as Luluwa.

Enjoy !!!!!!!!


Second Book of Adam and Eve
Chapter I.
The grief stricken family. Cain marries Luluwa and they move away.

As for Cain, when the mourning for his brother was ended, he took his sister Luluwa and married her, without leave from his father and mother; for they could not keep him from her, by reason of their heavy heart.

And in that place were many fruit trees and forest trees. His sister bare him children, who in their turn began to multiply by degrees until they filled that place.

http://reluctant-messenger.com/eden_2.htm

[April]

Second Book of Adam and Eve?



Luluwa?



How about the book Moo?

I have more faith in that containing the truth.

[Vladd44]

Pretty funny he promotes a series of books some would call heretical, but he clings to the KJV like a fondly recalled blanket. Well at least he fondly recalls the cover, after all he still doesn't know what the inside says, thats for grownups.

As far as the book of Moo , I prefer the Book of Baaaaaaa!

[loveistruth]

The akjv genesis 3:20 says that eve is the mother of all living

I have never really understood all that is written about Adam, and all the theories developed based on the assumption that Adam is a noun denoting a single being. That is not what the word means in the first many times it is used in Genesis.

Adam, derived from the Hebrew root word meaning flushed or warm blooded, in its first use means humans, both male and female. Later in the bible the word changes to mean that Adam was a single individual.

The changed meaning of the word became the favourite interpretation, and was entrenched at the instructions of King James in that translation of the English Bible.

Staying with the original meaning of the word, all the theories built on its changed interpretation become unnecessary. No need for theories of who married whom and who was Cain's sister etc.

God made human beings. Male and female made he them. (No suggestion that it was only one). That is what is says in the first known versions of the bible.

Of course, understanding the actual meaning of the original word does not change any discussion about how accurately it was used, but that is another story. Neither does it change the gospel message of Jesus Christ which is based on the later interpretation that Adam was an individual. It is irrelevant to the message of Jesus Christ that it be one or many persons being, in essence, that the first individual or group of individuals stuffed it and mankind has suffered ever since as a consequence, but there is a way out.

In this forum the way out probably means to the majority the use of intelligence or science, but that does not change the concept of Christ. It only emphasises that many do not believe it.

It's a free world. And God bless us all, whatever we believe.

The only reason for saying this is that it seems rather a waste of intelligent time to spend too much effort discussing genealogies when the precepts on which they are built may have different interpretations.

[PlymouthFury]

Try not to mock God, post indecent stuff or u know the usual Cesspool norm kind of threads. It's just a special request from me, that's all. If u find it beneath u (as non-Christians) just pass the thread by and don't be involved in it. Thank you.

Remember the f**k RULES asssshole!!!